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Deb backports vs. Deb-Multimedia repo's
« le: 23 mars 2013 à 05:04:09 »
Had a tad bit of a problem with a VLC install from the
Deb-Multimedia repo, which I think I solved.    But, there's
a post on the VLC forums relating to that repo which basically
condemns it, and it appears that the regular deb stable backports
repo is the only way to go, especially for VLC, according to the
post I read.

Any info, experiences regarding this.    Could this be codec related  ?

thx

patrick

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« Réponse #1 le: 23 mars 2013 à 07:21:59 »
Any info, experiences regarding this.    Could this be codec related  ?

What problem did you run into? Can you post a link to the VLC forum post you're referring to? And is your Debian installation Wheezy or Squeeze?

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« Réponse #2 le: 23 mars 2013 à 07:44:59 »
What problem did you run into? Can you post a link to the VLC forum post you're referring to? And is your Debian installation Wheezy or Squeeze?

Well my Debian is Wheezy, Testing basically.

The Debian-Multimedia Testing repo looked like a good place to go
to for Clementine and VLC.   

This post, as I read and research it says stable or stable backports are OK
repos for things like Clementine and VLC, which are not in the Testing repos.
Tonight I see they have versions in Testing, oh well.

Debian-Multimedia repo is not an official repo and blah blah blah.

http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=70719

Their current advise remains the same.     Perhaps they're right.

So if  the programs aren't in Testing the stable repo's are the place to
go for some reason.    Fedora, comparatively, has several outside repo's
for things of this sort that fit in.

don't know then.

thanks for the response.

patrick
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Re : Deb backports vs. Deb-Multimedia repo's
« Réponse #3 le: 23 mars 2013 à 09:19:26 »
@DJOHNSTON

I have to reorganize my thoughts here.

I needed something that wasn't in the testing repo
so I enabled deb-multimedia repo.   When I installed
VLC   it had the highest version.    So it installed.

Or VLC  wasn't in testing at the time.   Can't remember.
But, the program is working fine.     For future installs
the testing repo should be better then.    No problem.
A  program is a program.

Apart from some possible dependency issue I think there might be a codec
issue from the testing version vs. the deb-multimedia version
but I don't know for sure.   

I had to delete the VLC    directory in /home once then
everything clicked up OK.     

But that fellow at VLC sure didn't like the deb-multimedia repo.
Something to do with libav and other programs but additional
features the deb-multimedia repo packager put in.

It might even be a better version if it doesn't conflict with MPlayer
or something like that, which I don't use.

regards,

patrick

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« Réponse #4 le: 23 mars 2013 à 13:39:47 »
Hi,
I have had VLC and mplayer installed in most of my systems since years and I have never noticed any conflict. What possible conflict are you referring to ?
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« Réponse #5 le: 23 mars 2013 à 21:26:14 »
Hmmm. Well, all I can tell from your posts is that you had an unspecified problem, you enabled and installed VLC and Clementine and, possibly, something else from the multimedia repo, and someone on the Videolan forum says you shouldn't use the multimedia repo.

First of all, if you are running Wheezy, there is no stable backports for it. Stable backports is for the stable version of Debian, which is currently Squeeze. Installing anything to Wheezy from backports would be a step backwards in package versions. Until Wheezy moves out of testing and becomes the new stable branch, there will be no backports repo for it.

Second, it's easy for a first party to blame a second party for using "the wrong repository", especially when no troubleshooting has been attempted and very little is known about the second party's installation or problems. The libavutil "problem" is from a January 2010 post. A lot has changed since then. I do realize the thread you pointed to goes up through February of 2013. Still, I see no one in that thread has attempted to get to the bottom of posted problems by attenpting to do basic troubleshooting. Maybe that's not the focus of the Videolan forum. I don't know.

Third, the multimedia repo is one of the first additional repos I always add to my Debian Wheezy sources list. The reason is that the repo has more up-to-date codecs that the "official" repos don't have. The multimedia repo also has some codecs that the "official" repos just don't have, at all, period. libdvdcss comes to mind. In any event, I've never had a dependency problem or non-functioning application problem as a result of doing so. The DebWeb and DebRazor respins I've done both have the multimedia repo enabled by default in the sources list. The Deb-e17 respin I'll be publishing today or tomorrow also has it enabled.

Just as a test, I played an mp4 video in VLC in the DebWeb respin.



No problems, no stuttering, no error messages and no crashes. The VLC version?



I then tried playing an mp3.



The only problem there is that I now want to listen to the entire Back in Black album again. For the umpteenth time. I've discovered with using the package manager GUI, Synaptic, that sometimes apparent package conflicts are not really conflicts at all. Sometimes, the package list just needs to be updated by clicking the Update button. Sometimes, there may be "cruft" left over from previous uninstalls. If there are any packages in the auto-removable section, I remove them. All of them. If one or more are packages I actually want installed, I make a note of them and reinstall after having refreshed the package list again. Afterwards, they seldom show as auto-removable. The same goes for old configurations from removing packages. There's a section in Synaptic for removable configuration files, and I remove any found there.

I do tend to get long-winded. But, to summarize, not all dependency problems are caused by the wrong choice of repositories. Neither are all application problems. It's easier to point a finger at the repo used than it is to get to the bottom of a user's problems. The problems a user encounters must be spelled out, specifically, before anyone can offer meaningful help in solving said problems.

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Re : Re : Deb backports vs. Deb-Multimedia repo's
« Réponse #6 le: 24 mars 2013 à 01:54:16 »
Hi,
I have had VLC and mplayer installed in most of my systems since years and I have never noticed any conflict. What possible conflict are you referring to ?

When I looked at the VLC Forum one of the mod's there made a post
which said Debian-Multimedia repo was not supported.

When I deleted the vlc config in /home and restarted vlc the stalling
problem I was having ceased.

Just wondered if anyone heard something bad about Debian-Multimedia repo.

thanks for the response(s)

Patrick

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« Réponse #7 le: 24 mars 2013 à 03:38:02 »
Just wondered if anyone heard something bad about Debian-Multimedia repo.

Honestly, no. This is the first time.

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« Réponse #8 le: 24 mars 2013 à 13:21:00 »
Hi,
If there is a bug, or something which could be improved, report is as a bug/wishlist section. I think you could find helpful people to lend you a hand doing so, at some Debian forums or Debian chans.

http://www.debian.org/support.en.html

I wonder if nowadays there are too many users and not enough contributors at the Debian community?

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« Réponse #9 le: 24 mars 2013 à 20:38:02 »
I wonder if nowadays there are too many users and not enough contributors at the Debian community?

I asked 2 questions there and got 2 or 3 answers for each in a short time.

I get a dozen or so updates every week, and they all work.    So, somebody
is at Debian keeping things fairly current.

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Patrick

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« Réponse #10 le: 24 mars 2013 à 21:51:04 »
What about the question you just asked here related to debian multimedia repos vers deb backports ? Did you also ask there and if you did, what answers did you get ?

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« Réponse #11 le: 24 mars 2013 à 22:53:22 »
Patrick,

I did some research on the VLC versus ffmpeg transcoding issue raised on the Videolan forum. According to Wikipedia, "Many of VLC's codecs are provided by the libavcodec library from the FFmpeg project, but it uses mainly its own muxer and demuxers and its own protocols." Therein lies the rub. It seems that an update to ffmpeg can "break" VLC transcoding. The alternate is also true that an update to VLC can "break" ffmpeg transcoding. But, from what I've been able to find out, it's usually an ffmpeg update that breaks VLC. If both packages are compiled to use static libraries, the problem disappears entirely.

From what I have found, the problem is not limited to using outside repositories, or to any one distribution. I found reports of the issue in Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Fedora Core and Arch.


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« Réponse #12 le: 25 mars 2013 à 00:42:25 »
What about the question you just asked here related to debian multimedia repos vers deb backports ? Did you also ask there and if you did, what answers did you get ?

According to Debian's info pages they only support official Debian repo's
and, No, deb-multimedia.org is not official.

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« Réponse #13 le: 25 mars 2013 à 00:52:31 »
But, from what I've been able to find out, it's usually an ffmpeg update that breaks VLC. If both packages are compiled to use static libraries, the problem disappears entirely.

From what I have found, the problem is not limited to using outside repositories, or to any one distribution. I found reports of the issue in Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Fedora Core and Arch.

I don't know, I rarely do that kind of transcoding.

I might uninstall it anyway and put in the one from the official
deb testing repo.     It stalls  after about 20 minutes on audio radio
feeds.   Thought deleting the config file fixed it but, tonight it started
doing it again.    Maybe the Icecast directory in VLC has a flaw.    A
direct feed from SKY.FM has played for over about 30 minutes now.

thanks for looking into that a bit,

patrick