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After much promising and dithering around, and then the issue with remastering, I am pleased to announce that the next edition of Scorpio is out and available for download.
ISO - Scorpio_2013-2 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18945176/Scorpio_2013-2.iso) 466mb
md5 Scorpio_2013-2.iso.md5 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18945176/Scorpio_2013-2.iso.md5) 53kb
To refresh your memories here is the slightly adjusted blurb -
Scorpio is based on Debian Wheezy, using the Stable repos. It uses pure Openbox, with no panel, icons or "desktop", but it does make use of the dock. As default there is no title bar decoration - right click on the title bar or use keybindings. It is designed to run light and fast, and to supply a stable base for further development if required. But it works great as is!
Lightdm is DM, Thunar is FM; Chromium default browser; text editor is Juffed; terminal is xterm, although there is also urxvt with tabs embedded in the desktop. There is also lxappearance, gparted, unetbootin, and remastersys. There is no synaptic - if you need that then su to root and "apt-get install synaptic". Having done that though you may then be wondering why you needed synaptic in the first place! By the way, there is no sudo.
Desktop shortcuts are included in the root menu. Other shortcuts are in a shortcut sub-menu under "Openbox", including for pytyle which does window tiling on the fly. Also visible in the screenshot is conky and the embedded urxvt terminal. There has been an extra icon theme added, and there is a "Places" entry in the root menu.
What makes this version different is that it is based on VillageBox, thus it has the language and locale package that was otherwise missing. Scorpio was the original build, then a modified version done by melodie with the language and locale packages became VillageBox. I have finally got around to bringing Scorpio into line! Enjoy.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18945176/scorpio_scrot.png)
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Hi,
Downloaded to the tyruiop.eu webspace.
http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/LinuxVillage/Debian (http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/LinuxVillage/Debian)
humm... I do have a question, why is your conky showing 4 places on Earth and not your's ? I think I'd like to see Melbourne there. :D
(Or Sydney, or any large known town in Australia)
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Thanks for mirroring.
About conky time - technically my time is shown at the top, but I know what you mean. Melbourne is about 2700kms east from here in Pingelly - 300kms further than Moscow is from Paris! However we are each an hour either side of Tokyo. If Melbourne replaced Tokyo then the time in the screenshot would be 08:59:51. I will consider it - I might also replace one of the US cities with something from South America!
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Conky time zones revised - maybe something like this?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18945176/conky_tz.png)
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Scorpio-Nautilus was just an experiment with a different file manager. It was based on the original Scorpio and I decided that playing with Nautilus was too much like dancing with the devil! Try the latest Scorpio - it is now based on VillageBox and is fully up-to-date. I'd be curious as to how wicd performs as we have had different experiences with wireless networking with VillageBox. (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,102.45.html)
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About wicd, I was mistaken that it's installed by default in a Wheezy LXDE install. The default is network-manager. Just realized that after a fresh netinstall.
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I thought network-manager was the application behind the scenes, and that the optional front-end was between the likes of wicd, network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde.
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wicd and network-manager are separate apps. The wicd package (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wicd) is a metapackage that pulls in wicd-daemon. One of the clients has to be selected. However, in my wheezy LXDE installation, marking the wicd metapackage marks the wicd-gtk client as a dependency.
network-manager is the equivalent of wicd-daemon and has a different set of dependencies. Besides several libraries, it depends on lsb-base, wpasupplicant and isc-dhcp-client. avahi-autoipd is suggested and there are several recommends. I know for a fact that the 32bit LXDE metapackage netinstall I did the other day installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome as part of the package. What I'm not sure about is if that's true for all desktops. On my XFCE 64bit install, which has been updated since the beta2 install, wicd is installed. I checked the depends and neither Thunar nor XFCE call for wicd. So, I don't remember if I manually switched from nm to wicd or whether wicd was replaced somewhere during the testing cycle.
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Thanks for clearing up my error - I had confused the contents of a package when researching the wicd/network-manager thing. I checked my Scorpio system with wicd installed and sure enough there is no network-manager.
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Under settings for wicd I entered wlan0 for the wireless device and nothing. Wicd does not see this device.
I'm not looking at it right now, but I believe you have to click a Refresh button or something similar after entering the wlan0 device in the settings. See if that helps any.
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My efforts in setting up wireless is here (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,102.msg2331.html#msg2331), with the instructions from djohnston here (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,102.msg2321.html#msg2321). You may have already seen them, but djohnston noted that he had to try a number of times. Patrick013 on the other hand had no problems - the inconsistency is an issue. If you have no joy try removing wicd and installing network-manager-gnome, and use the --no-install-recommends. Unfortunately they are the only two options we have.
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I've been blundering around on the net looking for ideas and came across this post (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/tips-to-help-u-get-wicd-up-and-running-881339/) about connecting wireless through wicd by setting up an ad-hoc network. I can't test this but it might work for you. Also I'd try wicd once installed before replacing it with network-manager-gnome - sometimes installed is different to live.
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I plan on trying wicd one last time after I install scorpio.
Well don't give up yet.
grep dmesg to see if b43 is there without error.
$dmesg | grep b43
$dmesg | grep wlan
run $netstat -ie in terminal to see if wlan0 is working.
Try wlan1 in wicd, I have a distro that defaults to wlan1.
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Try wlan1 in wicd, I have a distro that defaults to wlan1.
+1 Good point. Your device may vary.
Taco,
htop won't launch from the menu. Error is "Failed to execute child process 'sakura' (No such file or directory)".
Sakura isn't installed. /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is linked to /usr/bin/lxterm. I tried linking to /usr/bin/urxvt, but it still won't execute from the menu, although it will start from within a terminal. ~/.local/share/applications is empty. The htop.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ has for the exec line:
Exec=htop
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htop won't launch from the menu. Error is "Failed to execute child process 'sakura' (No such file or directory)".
Sakura isn't installed. /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is linked to /usr/bin/lxterm. I tried linking to /usr/bin/urxvt, but it still won't execute from the menu, although it will start from within a terminal. ~/.local/share/applications is empty. The htop.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ has for the exec line:
Exec=htop
I take it you are using Villagebox, as Scorpio doesn't show that - don't ask, they share the same base!! After researching this it seems the only way to fix the problem is to edit the .desktop file htop. I didn't seem to get quite the right result when reconfiguring update-alternatives.
Su to /usr/share/applications/Htop and edit it thus - "Terminal=true" to "Terminal=false"
"Exec=htop" to "Exec=xterm -e htop"
Note that the name of the terminal is your choice, but the default is xterm. Interestingly, before I edited the htop.desktop file, double-clicking on it opened htop in xterm! Go figure. Looks like I'll need to retain the edit for remastering.
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> Su to /usr/share/applications/Htop and edit it thus - "Terminal=true" to "Terminal=false"
> "Exec=htop" to "Exec=xterm -e htop"
It works but it's fugly. :)
The application launcher has to known how to execute terminal applications and which is command to run them. In openbox-menu, it is set by default to "xterm -e". The -t parameter could be used to overwrite the command.
Modifying the .desktop file doesn't solve the problem; it only hides the problem.
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mimas, you are a genius! I knew there had to be a way - fiddling with .desktop files is very unsatisfying. I looked at the autostart file and found this -
# Start open-box menu in the background
openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
On my own system I have this -
# Start open-box menu in the background
openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "xterm -e" lxde-applications.menu &
and htop opens in xterm.
I hadn't been able to work out what was different between the systems. I knew there was some small detail somewhere. I did the edit to the autostart file in Villagebox, returned htop.desktop to original and voila - htop in xterm!
Oh, and contrary to what I said in my previous post, the current Scorpio does have the same issue - it was my main system (early Scorpio) that didn't.
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Hi,
not sure but perhaps you could use x-terminal-emulator (available in Debian an Ubuntu)
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-terminal-emulator-on-ubuntu-linux (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-terminal-emulator-on-ubuntu-linux)
you could give it a try?
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Darrel:
So that is how you have increased your post count........... posting twice. :o :D :D :D
Yes, that's how it's done. But, there's a price to pay (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,367.msg2425.html#msg2425).
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> mimas, you are a genius!
Being the developer of openbox-menu helps a little to know about it. There is no easy way to determine which terminal has to be used for launching application so every application launcher must store this information in its configuration.
I'm a genius too, even if my magnificent modesty keeps me away from claiming it. :D
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I'm a genius too, even if my magnificent modesty keeps me away from claiming it. :D
Now, that's funny, right there. I don't care who you are.
Larry The Cable Guy That's funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFlCD5CYAcU#)
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I don't know why we don't use Sakura.
Xterm configured right is OK, but like doing the dishes
trying to configure bold fonts, etc..
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perhaps you could use x-terminal-emulator
I had tried that but for some reason it scrambled the config I set for xterm. I've left it at default 0 auto - the open-box menu line in the autostart file determines the default terminal in the end.
I don't know why we don't use Sakura. Xterm configured right is OK, but like doing the dishes trying to configure bold fonts, etc..
I had been using sakura since Bonsai, but once I did the Scorpio build and installed Remastersys I realised I had sakura, xterm, uxterm and urxvt installed! How many terminals does one need?!?
I think xterm is part of the default Debian install, but regardless of that it is required by Remastersys. I'm not sure where uxterm fits in but it just seems to go along with xterm - haven't tried eliminating it yet. For the embedded terminal in the "desktop" I used urxvt for it's transparency - that's optional and not in VillageBox. So in the end it came down to the principle of one function, one application. One browser, one text editor, one picture viewer, oh and err...Scorpio has three terminals! Oh well, but four would be overkill!
It's easy enough to customize xterm - the configuration lies in the .Xresources file. Here's my setup which in the new Scorpio replicates urxvt -
xterm*loginShell: true
xterm*vt100*geometry: 80x50
xterm*saveLines: 12000
xterm*charClass: 33:48,35:48,37:48,43:48,45-47:48,64:48,95:48,126:48
xterm*saveLines: 12000
# scrollbar - true (default) or false
xterm*scrollBar:false
# font color (default is black)
#xterm*foreground:White
xterm*foreground: #ffffff
! black
xterm.color0 : #000000
xterm.color8 : #555555
! red
xterm.color1 : #AA0000
xterm.color9 : #FF5555
! green
xterm.color2 : #00AA00
xterm.color10 : #55FF55
! yellow
xterm.color3 : #AA5500
xterm.color11 : #FFFF55
! blue
xterm.color4 : #0000AA
xterm.color12 : #5555FF
! magenta
xterm.color5 : #AA00AA
xterm.color13 : #FF55FF
! cyan
xterm.color6 : #00AAAA
xterm.color14 : #55FFFF
! white
xterm.color7 : #AAAAAA
xterm.color15 : #FFFFFF
xterm*geometry:80x32
xterm*borderLess:true
That changes the overall size and gives the font different colours. Winds up looking a bit like sakura!
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Hi,
Here is the xterm package list of files:
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/xterm/filelist (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/xterm/filelist)
among else:
/usr/share/applications/debian-uxterm.desktop
/usr/share/applications/debian-xterm.desktop
and about urxvt, you might try a removal and see what it would pull out?
It's easy enough to customize xterm
Yes it is, but doing copy paste to and fro is a bit more tricky. :)
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...about urxvt, you might try a removal and see what it would pull out?
urxvt is an integral part of Scorpio - it is the terminal embedded in the "desktop" and is a key feature. However it is not in VillageBox.
...but doing copy paste to and fro is a bit more tricky.
Using the primary clipboard you can copy/paste between any terminal and application. This is explained in the Tips and Tricks (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,22.msg30.html#msg30) section of the forum. To recount, to copy text to the primary clipboard just highlight the required text with the left mouse button down. Don't close that application yet though. To paste simply press the middle mouse button at the desired point in your document. You can also use the key command of Shift+insert to paste. This also applies to terminal emulators, so you can copy and paste between terminals and gui apps with ease. The primary clipboard is for text only.
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Remove the '$' sign before netstat. This is an indication that it can be run without root permissions, it has to be read as '<user prompt> netstat'.
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Hi Rob, that's better. You could also include the result of each command in code tags (the editor button which shows a '#'. ie:
robert@acer:~$ dmesg | grep wlan
robert@acer:~$
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The firmware required by your network card is missing on your system. You need to install 'firmware-b43-installer'.
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Scorpio_2013-2 has firmware-b43-installer installed. Here is the list of firmware I made sure was installed -
wireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions
broadcom-sta-common - Common files for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
broadcom-sta-dkms - dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
broadcom-sta-source - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
firmware-atheros - Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards
firmware-brcm80211 - Binary firmware for Broadcom 802.11 wireless cards
firmware-ipw2x00 - Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915
firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and 802.11n cards
firmware-libertas - Binary firmware for Marvell Libertas 8xxx wireless cards
firmware-ralink - Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards
firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters
b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
firmware-b43-installer - Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver
firmware-b43-lpphy-installer - Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver (LP-PHY version)
firmware-b43legacy-installer - Installer package for firmware for the b43legacy driver
Refer to this post (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,102.msg1881.html#msg1881) for more info. I also just checked my Scorpio remaster and they are all there.
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A reinstallation of this package solve the case for a guy on ubuntu-fr.
http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8334891#p8334891 (http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8334891#p8334891)
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You have a space between the hyphen and reinstall - it should be a double hyphen, thus apt thinks you are looking for reinstall.
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Hi,
apt-get install --reinstall firmware-b43-installer
and if in doubt for any need you can also check options of apt-get on this page: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get (http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get)
In a general way, the options of commands take one '-' when shortened as a single letter, often two '--' when a full word is used. Another way, when there are two words --word1-word2. Example from the man: "--list-cleanup".
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Ok now I am connected wireless. :)
Great! Now you can enjoy all the features of this beautiful version! \o/
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Hi,
I think you can solve it by removing the package numlockx. I also dislike it, for it locks on numbers while you need to type the password to start the session, and when it's a laptop it's not always obvious to figure out how to unlock. (my life: on a T30 I had to search the web to find out I had to press "Shift" additionnally to the Fn keys).
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Regarding numlockx - sorry, my bad. The ~/.config/openbox/autostart file has it to autostart, when it should have been commented not to. Just go to that file and comment out the line that says - "numlockx on". I'll fix that for the next edition. Fortunately it is OK in VillageBox.
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I just copied and pasted the command from the ubuntu forums from the link that mimas provided. :D
Ok now I am connected wireless. :)
I knew you'd like wicd. :D
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Being the developer of openbox-menu helps a little to know about it.
Isn't that the one written in Perl that Semplice uses? The link on this Openbox wiki page (http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus) is broken. The broken link points to http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html (http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html).
Can I ask you some Perl questions?
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Isn't that the one written in Perl that Semplice uses?
Try this link (http://fabrice.thiroux.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html). I first met openbox-menu through Bonsai at PCLOS two and a half years ago. I think mimas wrote it in C++. Semplice uses something different called Alan based on python, which from memory I found to be very clumsy.
EDIT - maybe obam in perl (http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus:obam) is what you are looking for.
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I do prefer what PClos has. When you connect a box appears in the upper right corner of the window with info on which router your connected to, signal strength, ip address, and DNS servers.
A pop-up notification of network connection can be made to happen if "notification-daemon" is installed. However it only tells you that you're connected without any details. Of course those details are available through a right click on the network systray icon. However that's with network-manager-gnome in VillageBox - didn't work with wicd in Scorpio. I'll look into it further.
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Try this link (http://fabrice.thiroux.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html). I first met openbox-menu through Bonsai at PCLOS two and a half years ago. I think mimas wrote it in C++. Semplice uses something different called Alan based on python, which from memory I found to be very clumsy.
EDIT - maybe obam in perl (http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus:obam) is what you are looking for.
Thanks for the link. Bookmarked it for safekeeping. Okay, mimas is the one who originally added the icons capability to Openbox's menu.
You're right. Semplice uses alan. Can't remember whether it's perl, python, bash or whatever. But, yeah, I spent hours tracking down all the pieces of it scattered throughout the system and became ever more confused.
After bookmarking the link to mimas's work, I rediscovered the link I already had for obmenu-generator (http://trizenx.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/obmenu-generator.html). I remember you pointed that one out a while back and asked if anyone is versed in perl. Have you looked at it?
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Can I ask you some Perl questions?
You can but I don't do Perl, so don't expect to much.
The wiki link is fixed. The redirector now redirects to the new URL.
> Okay, mimas is the one who originally added the icons capability to Openbox's menu.
Not exactly, I was the first to use the icon capability; It's a feature of Openbox 3.5.
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As long as it works. As my problems were not with wicd, but that the b43 installer needed to be reinstalled.
The thing I like about wicd is that it reconnects automatically
and retries until it is connected. Doesn't try once and give an
error message. Sure there's nicer graphical messages and displays
but for a reliable start it is. I don't even worry about it.
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"could even be interference from next door on the same freq"
I once logged into a neighbors wifi router and changed to another channel to reduce interference ;) :D :D.
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comment about wicd:
when I put passwords in all WEP options it works
after setting "ip" instead of auto as connection
options
You mean you're assigning a static IP address for the device instead of using DHCP?
I think wifi is screwed, no matter which software/distro
could even be interference from next door on the same freq
Might try a different comm channel.
I recently learned that NetworkManager repolls the router for a lease license every few minutes. Evidently, wicd does not do that, in addition to what you've said about wicd automatically renegotiating a dropped connection.
I'm starting to think wicd is the better choice of the two. Gonna run some wireless tests tomorrow.
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You mean you're assigning a static IP address for the device instead of using DHCP?
Nope. Set auto to ip in preferences
plus put passwords in every wep or wpa category
I think it's an outside glitch.
I know when my wifi doesn't work.
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Ok Taco.22 I have decided I have been using Scorpio on a spare hard drive long enough. I am planning on installing it on the main hard drive for this laptop replacing PClos OpenBox Bonsai.
So I will be dual booting Win XP and Scorpio. :)
Thanks for your hard work.
Cheers - glad it's all working out.
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I think the router has a bad circuit finally.
Today it says "connectivity problem modem/router"
but the good old eth0 connects right up.