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Titre: Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 01 avril 2013 à 21:30:58
(http://elementaryos.org/sites/default/files/user/6/200x200.png)
Learn more... (http://elementaryos.org/journal/when-its-ready)

At first I didn't believe in love at first sight for a distro, but this is a really awesome distro. What do you think? :)
It's still a beta, I know, but it works better and is more stable than Ubuntu on my laptop (Ubuntu doesn't like my SSD).

For me, the distro has a lot of potential, because of its good looking UI and features not many distros have. It runs everything Ubuntu does, even has the same commands because it is Ubuntu-based. What really got me to use it was the UI combined with the speed and stability.

I even have a live USB stick which has Elementary on it, so I can take my favorite OS to school and use it there.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 01 avril 2013 à 22:10:14
I think this is one to be followed...

Thanks for sharing. :)
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Slystone le 01 avril 2013 à 22:23:01

(http://elementaryos.org/sites/default/files/user/6/200x200.png)
Learn more... (http://elementaryos.org/journal/when-its-ready)

At first I didn't believe in love at first sight for a distro, but this is a really awesome distro. What do you think? :)
It's still a beta, I know, but it works better and is more stable than Ubuntu on my laptop (Ubuntu doesn't like my SSD).

Yoshi2889 : peut-être est-ce que tu pourrais nous donner ton avis personnel en nous disant pourquoi en particulier tu aimes cette distro ?
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 01 avril 2013 à 23:45:23
Je vois un immense trou dans le post ci-dessus...

bizarre...

PS: je crois que ça vient de Firefox et peut-être de Adblock bien qu'il ne soit pas activé pour le forum linuxvillage...


Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 02 avril 2013 à 15:33:03
Sorry, I don't speak French very well, but what I understood from the above question is that I forgot to explain why I like the distro. Adding it as we speak :)
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 03 avril 2013 à 16:03:22
I've never had problems with my hardware and OpenSUSE or Fedora either. One thing I don't like of Ubuntu is that it is not optimized for SSDs so the boot process fails at times, hope this changes with 13.04. Elementary seems to handle it better but it freezes quite often afterwards.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 07 avril 2013 à 15:41:46
Okay, so Elementary locked up almost two minutes after booting for me. Got tired of it, and wiped it from my HDD (I have my data in the cloud anyway), so I'm running Ubuntu 13.04 Beta now, the boot issue persists but it doesn't lock up afterwards.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 07 avril 2013 à 18:53:02
Yoshi2889,

Would you start a new post in the questions section related to the issue you are meeting with ? You could describe fully your hardware (lshw, lspci... ) and bring back the contents of your dmesg and syslog log file from just after boot... If you don't mind trying to get into it, of course.

Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Slystone le 08 avril 2013 à 00:14:24
Sorry for typing in French! And your arguments are quite convincing. I definitely added it to my todo list. :)
Titre: Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 09 avril 2013 à 19:39:15
Yoshi2889,

Would you start a new post in the questions section related to the issue you are meeting with ? You could describe fully your hardware (lshw, lspci... ) and bring back the contents of your dmesg and syslog log file from just after boot... If you don't mind trying to get into it, of course.
I already know what causes it :P

It's a combination of X, DRM, lightdm and Plymouth.

What happens, is that Plymouth takes DRM control as one of the first steps in boot. But due to the fast nature of SSDs, Plymouth doesn't get to finish its task. Now X wants the control over DRM, before Plymouth has finished its task (so Plymouth still holds the control over the DRM). DRM gets all confused and fed up, then "attempts" to pass over control to X, which fails as Plymouth is still running and holding control. With DRM confused, X thinks it has control, which it has not, as DRM did pass a "Hey you have control now" message in its confusion. With this all, lightdm crashes and therefore it gets stuck on a black screen with a cursor (as X has kind of started) or Low Graphics Mode as DRM gives invalid information about the graphics card along in its confusion.

In layman's terms, the boot process has finished, but the boot splash screen still has to be shown. Everything's going too fast for certain processes.

Good news is that there are people working on this issue, and I hope it'll be solved in 13.04 final.

About the random freezes, nobody knows. Probably worth it to install Elementary again and dump some logs in the teams hands.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 20 avril 2013 à 13:32:49
Looks like the issue with freezes has been recorded and is being debugged. Great.

I'm going to run Ubuntu until Elementary goes (more) stable, since it's definitely not meant to be run on production systems ATM.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 20 avril 2013 à 14:57:56
Hi Yoshi,

I wonder if you installed E17 on top of the latest Bento2 mini how that would go ? At PCLinuxOS some time ago a guy had done a version "gtk light" of E17 for which he used the pclinuxos openbox mini I had done with the help of the people there, and it seemed to work well and have some success.
Wouldn't you like to try ?

Titre: Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 20 avril 2013 à 16:25:21
Hi Yoshi,

I wonder if you installed E17 on top of the latest Bento2 mini how that would go ? At PCLinuxOS some time ago a guy had done a version "gtk light" of E17 for which he used the pclinuxos openbox mini I had done with the help of the people there, and it seemed to work well and have some success.
Wouldn't you like to try ?
Thanks for the offer, though I'm not a fan of Enlightment at all :)

I'd rather use the Pantheon desktop of Elementary but since it is highly unstable at the time...
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 21 avril 2013 à 01:01:23
I don't know why I thought this distro was kind of wrapped around e17. Sorry for the confusion. I just read here, btw:
http://linuxmotion.com/tutorials/73-how-to-install-pantheon-desktop-enviroment-in-ubuntu-12-10 (http://linuxmotion.com/tutorials/73-how-to-install-pantheon-desktop-enviroment-in-ubuntu-12-10)

are you saying this desktop shell is not stable ? So what are you using in this OS ? (I don't really know what I missed... )


Titre: Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 21 avril 2013 à 11:26:07
I don't know why I thought this distro was kind of wrapped around e17. Sorry for the confusion. I just read here, btw:
http://linuxmotion.com/tutorials/73-how-to-install-pantheon-desktop-enviroment-in-ubuntu-12-10 (http://linuxmotion.com/tutorials/73-how-to-install-pantheon-desktop-enviroment-in-ubuntu-12-10)

are you saying this desktop shell is not stable ? So what are you using in this OS ? (I don't really know what I missed... )
Nah, the OS is kinda unstable. But it's do-able, I just have to use my laptop with a bit more caution :)

The main problems aren't going away with Ubuntu either, only the freezing issue. Ubuntu in addition suffers from random crashes on my laptop.

Only thing I've got to run stable on my laptop are Fedora and OpenSUSE.
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: djohnston le 21 avril 2013 à 12:42:31
Only thing I've got to run stable on my laptop are Fedora and OpenSUSE.

I may have missed it, but have you tried Debian?

Titre: Re : Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 21 avril 2013 à 18:01:39
I may have missed it, but have you tried Debian?
Nope, but since Ubuntu is based on Debian and Elementary is based on Ubuntu in return I don't really expect too much of it lol.
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: djohnston le 21 avril 2013 à 22:14:22
Nope, but since Ubuntu is based on Debian and Elementary is based on Ubuntu in return I don't really expect too much of it lol.

It is, of course, your decision to make. However, I think you've reached an erroneous conclusion. Elementary did not come from Debian. And, once Ubuntu takes a "snapshot" of Debian testing, unstable, or whatever, then applies their own patches, it ceases to be Debian.

To each his/her own.

Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: konaexpress le 21 avril 2013 à 22:26:07
Ubuntu is soooooo far from Debian it is not funny, it's like a different animal some times.

Elementary is a sweet distro but I wish they would have based off of Debian as Ubuntu distros can have a slow boot time. Other than that, I kinda like it.It would be a good distro to put on new users machines.
Titre: Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: melodie le 21 avril 2013 à 22:49:26
Ubuntu distros can have a slow boot time.

mostly due to processes to be started... :)

so it depends who built it (ie Madbox is very fast, Bento is quite fast too, especially the last mini).

Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 22 avril 2013 à 13:21:07
It boots in about three seconds on my machine. Haven't tested on my desktop but it should boot much faster than Windows.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: konaexpress le 22 avril 2013 à 17:36:01
Everything will boot faster than Windows and OS X..........
Titre: Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 22 avril 2013 à 18:58:23
Everything will boot faster than Windows and OS X..........
OS X is quite fast with booting, I have to say so, my iMac with OS X 10.7 Lion boots in 15 seconds from a regular HDD.
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: konaexpress le 22 avril 2013 à 23:40:49
OS X is quite fast with booting, I have to say so, my iMac with OS X 10.7 Lion boots in 15 seconds from a regular HDD.

Umm......

From the computer turned off to on or from sleep?
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: djohnston le 23 avril 2013 à 00:17:28
Umm......

From the computer turned off to on or from sleep?

 ;D  ;D

Titre: Re : Re : Re : Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 23 avril 2013 à 07:28:40
Umm......

From the computer turned off to on or from sleep?
Cold boot.
Titre: Re : Elementary OS
Posté par: Yoshi2889 le 26 avril 2013 à 22:04:04
So, I finally fixed the freezing issue. It was due to the kernel I was using. Upgraded to kernel 3.5.0-28 and now the freezing does not occur anymore/yet. Must say the support is pretty solid in the IRC channel :)