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Titre: Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 11 février 2013 à 11:48:49
Introducing an experimental build of VillageBox - Village_in_space!

This is VillageBox running the Spacefm (http://ignorantguru.github.com/spacefm/) file manager.  Spacefm (http://ignorantguru.github.com/spacefm/) is a fork of PCmanFM, but with much more.  It is now default FM in a number of distros, including Archpup, Foresight and Parted Magic.  It is also found in the repos of many other distros.

Download the ISO (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/VillageSpacefm.iso) and the md5 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/VillageSpacefm.iso.md5).

Obligatory screenshots here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/pic1.png) and here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/pic2.png).

Spacefm is highly configurable - in this build it is presented to you as a twin pane FM.  Modify it at your whim.  It is integrated with gigolo so it will display network sharing. 

Spacefm also creates a desktop environment that allows setting of wallpaper and desktop icons.  In the live ISO you will see three desktop icons - Sakura, Spacefm and Midori - plus one for Live Installer.  These all sit in the Desktop folder of the user.

One small glitch - click on the desktop and conky disappears!!  Worked fine in build mode but found that in the live ISO.  If you go to ~/.conky/conkyrc and change the line "own_window_type_ desktop" to "own_window_type_ normal", save and hit logout - don't panic, it will log back in without need for password and your changes saved - conky will then behave itself.  I will fix this in the next build.

Anyway, I'm just looking for some feedback on this one.  Spacefm is still a work in progress but it does seem to fill a lot of gaps between Thunar and PCmanFM.  It gives the option of "desktop" management with a highly configurable file manager.  Maybe it's a good fit with VillageBox?

Give it a go and let me know what you think.


EDIT - just checked and yes, conkyrc should have been "normal" - forgot to move that across to /etc/skel.

EXTRA EDIT - Disregard the issue with conky - I have uploaded a corrected ISO.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: patrick013 le 12 février 2013 à 20:30:47
Introducing an experimental build of VillageBox - Village_in_space!

http://ge.tt/6BXZYHY/v/0?c

The above is a quick way to get GTK3 on  VillageBox provided there's
no other gtk-3.0 config file in /home any place.

Login, AbiWord, and eventually Gnumeric will be GTK3 it looks like.

Just to test.

Patrick
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 12 février 2013 à 20:46:14
Too much work I feel!  8)

Please, someone to bring all this as a news in the French section?

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 13 février 2013 à 07:48:00
Does SpaceFM have advantages over Thunar? Besides, of course, the gvfs/network bug?
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 13 février 2013 à 09:19:04
It depends on what you want in a FM.  Spacefm is a fork of PCManFM, and shares similar characteristics.  It has a desktop "layer" that sets the wallpaper and can allow desktop icons.  It is highly configurable - just about everything can be tweaked.  It seems to be less buggy than PCManFM, although it is still new and much of that is up to the very dedicated maintainer.

Differences with Thunar - it offers a multiple pane layout and tabs - neither of which will be seen in Thunar.  It mounts network shares through gigolo, but I haven't yet tried doing that direct through Spacefm, if it even can.  Unlike PCManFM it allows detailed list layout, as does Thunar.  So Spacefm has the configurability of Thunar but with the extra desktop capabilities and layout options of PCManFM.  It is a great FM, and for someone wanting desktop options, like in LXDE for example, I would recommend it. 

I must confess though that I still have a leaning towards Thunar.  I don't use desktop icons, and I can open Thunar twice and invoke Pytyle and have a twin pane FM just like that - that is just my personal setup.  But give it a go.  I think it is a great project and well worth supporting.  For those who don't want to download a whole ISO to give Spacefm a try, check out the Spacefm website (http://ignorantguru.github.com/spacefm/) for download instructions.   
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 13 février 2013 à 13:01:41
Hi,

SpaceFM is a very good file manager. The only problem is that at first sight there is just too much stuff in the right-click menus, and in the left sidebar once you start clicking on the different options, and it is difficult to find it's way through. At a time I exchanged a few mails with the author of the program and asked if maybe he could implement 3 levels for the users in the preference : "beginner - average - expert" to make the learning curve easier, or just provide the basic which most people want. He didn't say no, but I don't know if he kept this idea in a todo, and I didn't try it since a long time now.

Have you tried the search feature ? I think it probably works very well, whereas many other gui search apps I tried found nothing at all on several files I was seeking for, and compared to "find" and "locate" commands. (still thinking forward to provide non tech users the tools they need).

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 14 février 2013 à 00:37:59
Yeah, I guess the only real "problem" is that it tries to be "all things to all men" - it does a lot of stuff and the interface can be a little intimidating.  The built in search function works well - almost makes catfish superfluous.
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: patrick013 le 14 février 2013 à 01:00:47
Yeah, I guess the only real "problem" is that it tries to be "all things to all men" - it does a lot of stuff and the interface can be a little intimidating.  The built in search function works well - almost makes catfish superfluous.

Is there a .deb package for SpaceFM ?    I can't find one.

I like Searchmonkey a bunch, seems catfish needs to run as root to find everything.
Except Searchmonkey overfills the screen on my netbook.

Maybe I'm full of blarney, is that French ?
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 14 février 2013 à 02:07:22
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Maybe I'm full of blarney, is that French ?
Umm, I really think that's Irish!

Download and install Spacefm for Debian from here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/spacefm/files/) or here (https://github.com/IgnorantGuru/spacefm/tree/master/packages/0.8.6), or set up apt-get from the ppa here (http://igurublog.wordpress.com/downloads/ppa/) .
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 14 février 2013 à 02:46:58
Hi,

What is "blarney" ?   ???

Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: patrick013 le 14 février 2013 à 03:32:22
Hi,

What is "blarney" ?   ???

When visiting the Irish King, some were allowed to see the
blarney stone on the wall.   Some were allowed to lay flat on their back's,
and in that position were allowed to kiss the bottom of the
blarney stone only once.   From that day forward they were
given the gift of "gab".    In other words, they were given the gift
to talk freely about anything they wanted to, eternally.

This was all done at the favor of the King.     They were given the gift
of "blarney" so to speak.    So when someone says, oh that's blarney,
they mean it's just a bunch of talk, in Irish-British circles, or elsewhere.

I wish my computer would do the same thing.

thanks for the question.

patrick013
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 14 février 2013 à 03:44:26
hu hu, That looks dangerous! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blarney_Stone

Thanks for your explanation!

Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: patrick013 le 14 février 2013 à 04:02:48
hu hu, That looks dangerous! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blarney_Stone

Thanks for your explanation!

Well the Irish folk legend of course is very true as you can see.
Most authentic, etc..

As well as the legend of St. Patrick, who was not even Irish  !

Well enough of this sort of blarney, huh ?

The way that term could be used.

Do the French have similar legends ?
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 18 février 2013 à 00:30:22
I've downloaded the iso twice now. It won't boot to the desktop. The md5sum of the second iso does not match the posted md5sum.

md5sum Village_in_space.iso
a9c8769547d99012ed4082337f7f05bc  Village_in_space.iso

cat Village_in_space.iso.md5
ba89a4bde29f939f3e27dd329486f17d  Village_in_space.iso

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 18 février 2013 à 05:10:17
Sorry - I can confirm that the ISO won't boot.  Give me a bit of time and I will do another - and check it before I upload!
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 18 février 2013 à 05:33:16
No problem. No hurry. After the first download, I thought the problem was on my end.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 18 février 2013 à 16:19:01
The revised ISO and md5 are now tested and up.  The links in the first thread have been edited.

One warning about Spacefm - if you copy to a usb stick and then hit "eject" the progress will be displayed in a separate pane.  It may pause at "50%" before finishing and disappearing.  DO NOT remove the device until that progress bar has gone.  It might have been what I did transferring the previous ISO from computer to another - let the transfer process finish!   
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 18 février 2013 à 23:35:59
Okay, downloading now.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 19 février 2013 à 20:54:52
Downloading  it now.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 19 février 2013 à 22:03:13
Holly cr@p, I like this a lot. It ran great, soon as I figured out it needed a PAE flag in VBox. LOL

I was wondering about Conky, I see that you have the .conkrc file in /home/debian/.conky and not in /home/.conkyrc.........Why?I would REALLY like to know this as I am running into a problem with Lubuntu and Conky.

Thanks buddy and good job on this. I almost feel inspired to do some artwork and forget programming for a bit......(sigh)

John

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 20 février 2013 à 00:12:45
Thanks, I'm glad it worked!!

The config file for conky is in its own folder for a couple of reasons.  Firstly, if you have an image to display in conky you can store it with the config file and keep things neat.  Secondly, the command in autostart of "conky -c /path/of/config_file" means that you can label the config file anything you want, not just the default "conkyrc".  Long story short - if you have a number of conky scripts and maybe some images you simply store them all in one folder and edit the autostart file to display the one you want.

And don't neglect the artistic side of the soul!

BTW, what do you think of Spacefm?
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 20 février 2013 à 01:05:32

BTW, what do you think of Spacefm?

I really like it, I can see why some users are moving to it. It would be a tos-up for me between PCmanFM and space but I like it in some ways better. Got to think about this one for a bit, really like it for an openbox distro best or even a razor-qt distro for those that need a little more desktop.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 20 février 2013 à 01:11:13
Might be fun to use spaceFM in a little buntubox distro with my openbox logout manager and my Conky sript manager just for fun. Buntubox = Bentobox......get it? hhmmmm.....maybe Bento Box is better.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 20 février 2013 à 02:35:37
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/logo_bb.png)

Now that could be really cool!!
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 20 février 2013 à 04:41:46
I forgot to say that VillageInSpace is working fine now. I have not installed it, just took the live CD for a test spin. First thing I noticed is how much more RAM it uses at rest as opposed to LinuxVillage. Do you know if that's from SpaceFM handling the desktop wallpaper and icons? Haven't really looked into it. LV uses about 72MB. If I remember correctly, Space was using about 120 MB.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 20 février 2013 à 07:26:28
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First thing I noticed is how much more RAM it uses at rest as opposed to LinuxVillage

Installed on the test computer they both run at about 81mb at start up, according to conky.  Maybe something to do with running live - what ram does VillageBox use as live cd/usb?
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 20 février 2013 à 13:22:06
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18945176/logo_bb.png)

Now that could be really cool!!

What does that  "Bento" mean ?

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 20 février 2013 à 13:36:34
"Bento" see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bento).

The concept is rather cute and has a lot of potential!
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 20 février 2013 à 19:38:05
Here, I made this so it is free to use.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8101/8492010421_dfa99107ef_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mynetbookos/8492010421/)
bento box logo 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mynetbookos/8492010421/#) by The Kona Express (http://www.flickr.com/people/mynetbookos/), on Flickr
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 20 février 2013 à 21:00:17
Installed on the test computer they both run at about 81mb at start up, according to conky.  Maybe something to do with running live - what ram does VillageBox use as live cd/usb?

I'm not sure, but I'll install the VillageInSpace and see what it does.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 21 février 2013 à 00:04:18
@konaexpress

Love the logo - the chopsticks add a nice balanced touch  :)
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 21 février 2013 à 00:37:15
Thanks, they were easy to draw but the sushi took a bit LOL.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 21 février 2013 à 01:22:37
Hi,

Kona, could you post this in the artwork section ? I will be looking for an identity for the next ubuntu openbox remix version... perhaps we will talk about it in another thread when ready for testing.



Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 21 février 2013 à 04:39:19
Sure thing Melodie, I will have to do it in the am as I am on the iPad tonight.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 21 février 2013 à 04:57:31
Thank you. :)

Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 21 février 2013 à 23:35:54
Installed on the test computer they both run at about 81mb at start up, according to conky.  Maybe something to do with running live - what ram does VillageBox use as live cd/usb?
Installed is better. The specs are what you said. I suspect catfish is using some RAM for indexing files. I noticed over 100MB in use after installation. That eventually went down a lot.

One thing, though. There is no keyring for ignorantguru.github.com. Not sure how to get it. Here's the Synaptic error message:

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http://ignorantguru.github.com unstable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 27A5AC5A01937621

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 21 février 2013 à 23:52:13
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There is no keyring for ignorantguru.github.com. Not sure how to get it.

It's something I'm working on - I tried installing the key via his instructions but it didn't work.  I'll have to try again, although I'm not too bothered about it at the moment - this is just a trial of how Spacefm actually works.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 22 février 2013 à 01:54:50
I'm really liking space fm. I hope you keep at this version, think of a name yet? I'll do the logo and wallpaper for it.....
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 22 février 2013 à 02:30:03
Wait 'til you see the version with Nautilus!!  But I'm glad you like it - needs a bit of fine-tuning but it's heading in the right direction.  I look forward to your ideas regarding name and artwork.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 22 février 2013 à 23:56:17
Name ideas that follow the "Box" theme.

Shadowbox
Blue Box
Gearbox
Matchbox
Kickbox
Junkbox
Bitbox
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: djohnston le 23 février 2013 à 04:05:54
Matchbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28window_manager%29) ia a window manager for embedded systems.
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 23 février 2013 à 07:43:08
Matchbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28window_manager%29) ia a window manager for embedded systems.
Strike that one then.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 24 février 2013 à 22:58:10
How about going away from the box idea and go with something like "TAC3"? A nice black, green and transparent  Matrix color scheme with a military digital feel.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 25 février 2013 à 00:03:53
TAC3 - I take it we are talking about Team Arena Challenge?  I look forward to your interpretation.
Titre: Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 25 février 2013 à 01:05:17
TAC3 - I take it we are talking about Team Arena Challenge?  I look forward to your interpretation.
ROFL...No, I mean Tac as in tactical and I like the number 3. I meant to make it look like something  a soldier would use on a TV show. Heavy Python and Bash scripting in a semi transparent window and stuff like that.

What is team arena?
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 25 février 2013 à 02:00:07
Oh!

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A nice black, green and transparent  Matrix color scheme with a military digital feel.
 
Not this as inspiration?
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/Ljgs4o0W34I/0.jpg)
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 25 février 2013 à 02:27:31
Starcraft? Hmmm...never played that game before.
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: melodie le 25 février 2013 à 13:54:45
Games! games! Taco, do you play this Team Arena Challenge (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324556)?  :D

Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 26 février 2013 à 02:06:36
No, I don't play this game.  It's just what fell out of the web when I googled TAC3 in response to kona's idea!
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 26 février 2013 à 03:15:45
Fine, make TAC5 then and use an open hand as the logo.
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Posté par: konaexpress le 06 mars 2013 à 06:22:50
Blackhawk? ;D
Titre: Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: konaexpress le 08 mars 2013 à 19:28:03
Did you come up with a name yet? Because I have an itch that needs to be scratched and I will need help doing it.
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Village_in_space
Posté par: Taco.22 le 11 mars 2013 à 08:53:05
Cool...............  Then I will wait for the version with Nautilus.  Considering I am using Nautilus on Openbox Bonsai and networking is working great.  :)

VillageBox with Nautilus is available from http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,143.0.html (http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,143.0.html) in the "Create masters" section.  I look forward to your comments and observations.